Interview 260a: In this interview with Jonathan Gerland, Clifford Grum recounts his memories of working for the Temple companies from 1968-2000. He started in 1968 helping Temple Industries go public and stayed with the company through its merger with Time, Inc. and the subsequent spin-off, and then through all of the changes through the 1980’s and 1990’s. He speaks particularly of the financial side of the business, touching on land ownership concerns and taxes, Lumberman’s Investment Company, the mortgage business, and Temple’s foray into the insurance and Savings and Loan businesses. He also talks about the paper business and how that fit in with the overall structure of Time, Inc. and Temple Inland.